ch-raise na flope..správny move

Pridal: matusko, 07.09.2008 13:24

Full Tilt Poker Game #7971810871: Table Cyan (deep) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:19:24 ET - 2008/09/07
Seat 1: KimGrindvoll ($10.20)
Seat 2: natosys ($12.30)
Seat 3: MatuskoSBA ($18.45)
Seat 4: willowroot ($10.85)
Seat 5: futzipoker ($3.30)
Seat 6: Gra_ThePunisher ($11.45)
Seat 7: roger59ky ($20.15)
Seat 8: 73k ($10)
Seat 9: geitje ($18.05)
73k posts the small blind of $0.05
geitje posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MatuskoSBA [Qs Ks]
KimGrindvoll calls $0.10
natosys calls $0.10
MatuskoSBA raises to $0.50
willowroot folds
futzipoker calls $0.50
Gra_ThePunisher calls $0.50
roger59ky folds
73k folds
geitje folds
KimGrindvoll folds
natosys calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [Qh Kd Qc]
natosys checks
MatuskoSBA checks
futzipoker has 15 seconds left to act
futzipoker bets $0.60
Gra_ThePunisher folds
natosys folds
MatuskoSBA raises to $1.80
futzipoker has 15 seconds left to act
futzipoker folds
Uncalled bet of $1.20 returned to MatuskoSBA
MatuskoSBA mucks
MatuskoSBA wins the pot ($3.15)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.45 | Rake $0.30
Board: [Qh Kd Qc]
Seat 1: KimGrindvoll folded before the Flop
Seat 2: natosys folded on the Flop
Seat 3: MatuskoSBA collected ($3.15), mucked
Seat 4: willowroot didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: futzipoker folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Gra_ThePunisher folded on the Flop
Seat 7: roger59ky (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: 73k (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: geitje (big blind) folded before the Flop

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    08.09.2008 22:02 | yegon

    bet flop 1.3$ - continuation bet sa od teba ocakava takze tym nedavas ziadnu info o svojej ruke - ziskavas value od Kx, JT propadne gutshotov

    c/c moze byt ale v podstate tym chytas navyse oproti cbetu len bluffy takze z toho velku hodnotu nevytrieskas, pochybujem ze niekto do teba 3x bluffne. Od Kx dostanes viac cez bet-bet-bet

    c/r hovoris ze mas Qx - zlozi ti vela Kx ruk ktore by ti dali minimalne 2 standardne bety   [reagovať]

    07.09.2008 23:51 | chipfeeder

    pri takto trafenom flope check/call. super ak chce bluff doviest do zdarneho konca, musi betovat aj turn aj river. dobrovolne ti bude odovzdavat bubaky

    raise nema vyznam, ty si nemusis chranit ruku pred nicim   [reagovať]

    07.09.2008 17:09 | keso26

    ..mal by si pouzivat 4BB + 1BB za kazdeho limpera, navyse ak si v early, tak nie je odveci prihodit 1BB navyse ked si sa rozhodol navysit ruku ako KQs a na flope tak hrat HU a to z dovodu, ze ak Ta flop netrafi, co sa stane casto, budes proti viacerim superom ako aj tu, navyse na niektorych nebudes mat poziciu a tym padom to bude velmi tazko hratelne post flop.   [reagovať]

    07.09.2008 16:35 | matusko

    ..ďakujem za vysvetlenie..takéto niečo som chcel počuť..

    ..PF som raisol 3xBB+2BB za limperov..po flope som rozmýšlal či ch-c alebo ch-r..bolo mi jasné, že ťahať nejaký value bude problém..neviem prečo som mal dojem, že ak mi to nezaplatí tu, tak už nikdy..

    ..vďaka za radu, aspoň porastiem ..   [reagovať]

    07.09.2008 15:45 | keso26

    ..mna zaujal ten raise s UTG+2, daval by som tak 0,6 - 0,7 kedze tam mas 2 limperov a navyse si stale na early a kopec hracov mas za sebou proti ktorym budes na flope pravdepodobne OOP.
    Chybou bol aj ten ch/r na flope, ktorym si celemu stolu ako prelop raiser vykrical ze Ta neskutocne trafil, to uz snad lepsie ani povedat neslo Navyse tam mas troch zakaznikov co by mohol byt aj cbet z Tvojej strany, ale ch/c po nejakom divadielku a dlhsom premyslani tiez nie je zly.

    Aj ked Ta flop nadherne trafil, je tazke z neho dostat hodnotu, len tazko ta tu nieco zavola, cize flop ked si checkol mohol byt len call a na turne uz mohol byt nejaky jemny max. 1/2 potbet a pokus o postupne vytahovanie chips so supera s tym ze by si videl ako sa super zachova a podla toho sa zariadil.

    Pre prehladnost pripajam konvertnutu handu

    Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players

    UTG: $10.20

    UTG+1: $12.30

    Hero (UTG+2): $18.45

    MP1: $10.85

    MP2: $3.30

    CO: $11.45

    BTN: $20.15

    SB: $10

    BB: $18.05

    Pre-Flop: Q K dealt to Hero (UTG+2)

    UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.40

    Flop: ($2.25) Q K Q (4 Players)

    UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.60, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.80, MP2 folds

    Results: $3.45 Pot ($0.30 Rake)
    Hero mucked Q K and WON $3.15 (+$2.05 NET)   [reagovať]

    07.09.2008 14:48 | hulmazas2

    ideal flop na slowplay. Flop call a snad betne aj river a tam by som uz raislo.   [reagovať]

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