takto sa poker hrat clovek nenauci :)

to yegon...
ja si cem vybudovat bankroll a az potom zacat hra poker...som na 100% freeroll hrac ..cize casto hravam v pozicii shortstacka na cash games...a az daco vybudujem mozem zacat hrat normalne s plnym stackom...

to keso...
ano pravda..v tedy som uz davno nebol shortstack...ale tka KK ma mrtnu silu aj tak... a ano ako shortstack som hraval aj stredne pary a rozumne karty(po flope rozumne)... tak pravda aml som uz davno byt het(no co bol som chamtivy a poucil som sa)...

to fidelko...
pravda je ze ma pravdu Yegon...ale tak nejak sa bankroll budovat musi..a niekde sa zacat musi:-) ale zase yegon skus raz prist na stol a vlozit menej ako polovicu max buy in a zahrat si...je to ako keby ta prehliadali,ignorovali a ty si ich krasne oberal:-) proste zuzo:-D

zhrnutie...treba z pokru skusit vsetko:-)

a inak aj ja som rad ze sa take daco rozbehlo...malo sa clovek docita ako hrat ako shortstack...kedze hram skoro stale ako shortstack ...a nefim ale mna pozvacsa dorovnaju uz aj pri prvom all ine na agresivnom stole...

a v minulom prispevku som zabudol dopisat ze pravdu ma aj fidelko ze sa oplati hrat shortstack:-)

inak mam otazku an YEGON-a aky stol si vybrat an shortstack strategiu???(mne sedel stol co som mal posledne jeden agresivny s velkym stackom a amlo ludi anvyse = stol pre 6 ludi)

jasne na budovanie BR je to v pohode

ked si uz spomenul to KK tak ja som sa podobne okaslal na cashi par dni dozadu s AA, mal som cez 200xBB na SB typek s 350xBB raisol na buttone, reraisol som ho on ma dorovnal a na flope sme to dostali do allinu - samozrejme mal set sestiek :)

ked som sa pytal na zahranicnom fore ci som to zahral dobre tak povedali ze zlozit AA za LEN 200xBB v pote ktory bol reraisovany pred flopom by bolo weak :) a ze to je v pohode - ideme dalej

tak sa spytam vseobecne...ked idete ako shortstack k dajakemu stolu...podla coho si vyberiete stol?...pocet ludi,stacky,typ ludi atd...

short stack sa myslim najviac uplatni na mikrolimitoch a urcite je lepsie ist hrat na full ring, kedze cakas na silnu kartu takze cim je menej ludi pri stole, tym viac sa naplatis na blindoch. Ja si vyberam stoly kde je priemerny pot 2$ a viac, pretoze na 0$-1$ Ta malokedy niekto dorovna.

ja myslim ,ze to je jasne - ako pise keso : fullring,stoly s cim vyssim %preflop aj priemernym potom a s vysokymi stackami superov(nech ti tam nelezu do kapusty ini shortstaci8-))
to yegon:
ked si uvedomis,ze klucove fazy turnajov aj STG sa odohravaju pri 20BB a menej,tak myslim,ze prave naopak-shortstack hra ta na ne lepsie pripravi.

moze byt ;):

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

yegon (SB): $64.61
BB: $39.91
UTG: $83.26
CO: $75.00
BTN: $18.93

Preflop: yegon is dealt A A (5 Players)
UTG raises to $2.50, 2 folds, yegon raises to $8.00, BB calls $7.50, UTG raises all-in to $83.26, yegon calls all-in for $56.61, BB calls all-in for $31.91
Uncalled bet of $18.65 returned to UTG

Flop: ($169.13) 7 J T (3 Players - 3 All-In)

Turn: ($169.13) A (3 Players - 3 All-In)

River: ($169.13) 6 (3 Players - 3 All-In)

Pot Size: $169.13 ($2 Rake)

BB had K K (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$39.91)
UTG had Q Q (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$64.61)
yegon had A A (three of a kind, Aces) and WON (+$102.52)


toto bolo dost luckerske, na flope ked super vsadil tak malo tak mi to prislo ze skusa s parom mensim ako KK a myslel som ze ak mam pravdu tak zlozi aj na minraise - no zjavne som sa mylil ale uluckoval som ho :):

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $43.69
BB: $66.45
yegon (UTG): $52.50
MP: $17.13
CO: $50.53
BTN: $55.23

Preflop: yegon is dealt J J (6 Players)
yegon raises to $2.00, 3 folds, SB calls $1.75, BB raises to $6.50, yegon calls $4.50, SB calls $4.50

Flop: ($19.50) K 5 7 (3 Players)
SB bets $5.00, BB folds, yegon raises to $10.00, SB calls $5.00

Turn: ($39.50) J (2 Players)
SB bets $10.00, yegon raises to $20.00, SB calls $10.00

River: ($79.50) 4 (2 Players)
SB bets all-in for $7.19, yegon calls $7.19

Pot Size: $93.88 ($3 Rake)

SB had A K (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$43.69)
yegon had J J (three of a kind, Jacks) and WON (+$47.19)

no a jedna pre zmenu dobre zahrata po flope (ano aj mne sa to niekedy podari nepokaslat :) ):

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $19.00
BB: $46.23
UTG: $40.50
MP: $48.31
CO: $35.92
yegon (BTN): $50.03

Preflop: yegon is dealt A K (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP raises to $2.00, CO folds, yegon raises to $8.00, SB calls $7.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($18.50) 2 Q 6 (2 Players)
SB checks, yegon checks

Turn: ($18.50) 8 (2 Players)
SB bets all-in for $11.00, yegon calls $11.00

River: ($40.50) 5 (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $40.50 ($2.02 Rake)

SB had J T (high card Queen) and LOST (-$19.00)
yegon had A K (high card Ace) and WON (+$19.48)

sorry neuvedomil som si ze to tam vlozi este novy riadok medzi kazde dva, na buduce sa polepsim

..akych v poslednom tyzdni zazivam kvantum. Skratka vzdy niekomu nieco doskace. Ked som zbadal river vedel som, ze je zle, ale mal som vela v pote a trips na ruke (predsa len sa vyskytuju aj dementi) tak som dorovnal, ukazal A5 spades :'( ..btw, bola to prva ruka v turnaji. Zahral som to v niektorej faze zle ?..mozno vacsi bet na turne ? Poradte pls, stava sa mi to posledny tyzden velmi casto, robim nieco zle, alebo je to len bad luck ? Dik za nazory.

***** Hand History for Game 6395701923 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 35982990) - Tue Oct 09 03:40:04 EDT 2007
Table 137227 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Thessalon2 (2000)
Seat 2: DefWish20 (2000)
Seat 3: stevenkwong (2000)
Seat 4: manvanstaal1 (2000)
Seat 5: Stonedfinger (2000)
Seat 6: gtnkpp (2000)
Seat 7: arpinoSK (2000)
Seat 8: mormor10 (2000)
Seat 9: pittiderlieb (2000)
Seat 10: muenchner1 (2000)
pittiderlieb posts small blind (20)
muenchner1 posts big blind (40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to arpinoSK [ Ac, Jh ]
Thessalon2 calls (40)
DefWish20 calls (40)
stevenkwong folds
manvanstaal1 calls (40)
Stonedfinger folds
gtnkpp folds
arpinoSK raises (120) to 120
mormor10 folds
pittiderlieb folds
muenchner1 folds
Thessalon2 calls (80)
DefWish20 calls (80)
manvanstaal1 calls (80)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7s, Js, 4c ]
Thessalon2 bets (80)
DefWish20 folds
manvanstaal1 calls (80)
arpinoSK raises (240) to 240
Thessalon2 calls (160)
manvanstaal1 calls (160)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
Thessalon2 checks
manvanstaal1 checks
arpinoSK bets (240)
Thessalon2 calls (240)
manvanstaal1 folds
** Dealing River ** : [ 9s ]
Thessalon2 bets (1400)
Thessalon2 is all-In.
arpinoSK calls (1400)
arpinoSK is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $4540 with Thessalon2,arpinoSK