STAGE #749821401: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.25 - 2007-08-31 17:46:42 (ET)
Table: IRELAND HWY (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - P_KERALLDAY ($41.40 in chips)
Seat 2 - SL0VAKIA1989 ($19.85 in chips)
Seat 3 - DONKOMATIC ($27.39 in chips)
Seat 4 - COALMINER69 ($18.90 in chips)
Seat 5 - 0HF0SH0 ($44.75 in chips)
Seat 6 - THATGUYSNAKE ($80.33 in chips)
SL0VAKIA1989 - Posts small blind $0.10
DONKOMATIC - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SL0VAKIA1989 [Qc 5d]
COALMINER69 - Folds
0HF0SH0 - Folds
THATGUYSNAKE - Folds
P_KERALLDAY - Raises $0.75 to $0.75
SL0VAKIA1989 - Calls $0.65
DONKOMATIC - Folds
*** FLOP *** [6s Qh 3h]
SL0VAKIA1989 - Bets $2
P_KERALLDAY - Calls $2
*** TURN *** [6s Qh 3h] [Js]
SL0VAKIA1989 - Bets $3
P_KERALLDAY - Raises $15.75 to $15.75
SL0VAKIA1989 - All-In(Raise) $14.10 to $17.10
P_KERALLDAY - Calls $1.35
*** RIVER *** [6s Qh 3h Js] [10c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
P_KERALLDAY - Shows [10h 9h] (One pair, tens)
SL0VAKIA1989 - Shows [Qc 5d] (One pair, queens)
SL0VAKIA1989 Collects $38 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($39.95) | Rake ($1.95)
Board [6s Qh 3h Js 10c]
Seat 1: P_KERALLDAY (dealer) HI:lost with One pair, tens [10h 9h - P:10h,B:10c,B:Qh,B:Js,P:9h]
Seat 2: SL0VAKIA1989 (small blind) won Total ($38) All-In HI:($38) with One pair, queens [Qc 5d - B:Qh,P:Qc,B:Js,B:10c,B:6s]
Seat 3: DONKOMATIC (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: COALMINER69 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: 0HF0SH0 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: THATGUYSNAKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Takze bol som na SB, vsetci fold a hrac na pozici Dilera zvysil 3xBB (uvazoval som ze ide o klasicke kradnutie blindov z tej pozicie). Po flope som si myslel ze ide na flush draw s niecom ako K9.

Pirivitam vase nazory.

P****Stars Game #11813990391: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/09/01 - 15:46:42 (ET)
Table 'Polana III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: b2bad ($105 in chips)
Seat 2: ecuador26 ($227.40 in chips)
Seat 3: Fat Boy 44 ($699 in chips)
Seat 4: Campeon68 ($512.30 in chips)
Seat 5: BVegas25 ($320.85 in chips)
Seat 8: WrongButton ($600 in chips)
ecuador26: posts small blind $3
Fat Boy 44: posts big blind $6
hell_goose: sits out
Roland62: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Campeon68: calls $6
BVegas25: folds
WrongButton: calls $6
b2bad: raises $12 to $18
BVegas25 leaves the table
ecuador26: folds
Fat Boy 44: folds
Campeon68: calls $12
WrongButton: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 3d Td]
Campeon68: checks
b2bad: bets $12
Campeon68: calls $12
*** TURN *** [2s 3d Td] [7s]
Campeon68: checks
b2bad: bets $12
Campeon68: raises $24 to $36
b2bad: calls $24
*** RIVER *** [2s 3d Td 7s] [9c]
Campeon68: bets $42
b2bad: calls $39 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Campeon68: shows [Qd 7h] (a pair of Sevens)
b2bad: mucks hand
Campeon68 collected $222 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $225 | Rake $3
Board [2s 3d Td 7s 9c]
Seat 1: b2bad (button) mucked
Seat 2: ecuador26 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Fat Boy 44 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Campeon68 showed [Qd 7h] and won ($222) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: BVegas25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: WrongButton folded before Flop

Vysvetli mi prosim niekto ten raise na turne?

ci boha tak to netusim. Asi chcel oslavit nejakym spobom ze mu dosiel par a rais sa mu zdal nalepsia variatna lol. Co si mal AKs, straight draw alebo co ?

som cashgamova ovca :) moj nazor ber s rezervou len ako namet na zamyslenie

taka drobnost na uvod, blindy sa defenduju v turnajoch pretoze su velke v porovnani s tvojim stackom, v cash game kde obvykle mas 100xBB to neplati a naopak sa defenduje button pretoze ti dava vyhodu pozicie

ak by aj super teda len kradol blindy tak si uvedom ze mas na ruke Q5o s tym by si nebranil blindy ani v turnaji, okrem toho si len dorovnal cize co si spravil je ze ides so zlou rukou hrat out of position - nic horsie byt nemoze. Ked uz si chcel branit blindy tak reraise na 2$ - 2.5$ s tym ze ak nezlozi tak uz sa nejak zaryto nesnazit bojovat a uspokojit sa s tym ze to proste nevyslo.

no ale dorovnal si podme dalej, v pote je 1.75$ po flope vsadzas 2$ to je OK i ked by asi stacilo 1.2-1.75$ ale v pohode, super dorovnava co je od neho v podstate tiez OK

v pote je 5.75$ ty vsadzas 3$ - to sa mi zase pre zmenu zda byt malo na stol pribudli dalsie 2 draws, cize je velmi pravdepodobne ze ak aj super nabeh na postupku alebo flush doteraz nemal tak teraz ho uz ma

kedze ta super na flope neraisol tak mozeme stale predpokladat ze mas najlepsiu ruku a treba si ju chranit cize ja by so mnavrhoval nieco okolo 4-6$

super (ked pozname jeho ruku) pochopitelne ide allin co asi nie je zly move

no a ty stojis pred rozhodnutim,

A) moze mat set, moze mat AQ, KQ, QJ, QT atd vsetko ruky ktore ta biju a slowplayoval na flope pretoze sanca ze by si mal flush draw bola mala ale teraz ked na stol pribudlo tolko dalsich draws tak uz nemoze riskovat

B) sam ma nabeh na postupku alebo flush, mozno s parom, alebo s overcards, pripadne nabeh na flush aj na postupku a semibluffuje s tym ze ma sancu ze zlozis a ak nie stale ma nadej ze docvala a vyhra aj tak

C) uplny bluff s nicim :)

teraz by sa sikol nejaky read na supera ci je schopny ist do allinu s draw alebo len s hotovou rukou, tiez si treba uvedomit ake mas pot odds, kedze ide v podstate o allin tak mas 3 ku 2 cize z piatich takto odohratych ruk potrebujes 2 vyhrat aby sa ti to oplatilo.

Ak som to dobre zratal tak zhruba zlomovy bod je 50 na 50 - cize ak je 50% sanca ze ma lepsiu ruku ako ty a 50% sanca ze ma flush draw alebo straight draw tak sa ti ten call este oplati

ak je pravdepodobnost ze ma lepsiu ruku nez ty viac ako 50% - povedzme ak je to hrac ktory s flush draw vzdy len dorovnava a nenavysuje az ked mu flush pride tak uz sa ti to neoplati - cize ako som pisal je to velmi zavisle na reade na supera

ja som strachopud takze ak by sa mi nezdalo ze super je velmi agresivny asi by som foldol, ak by hral agresivne tak by som urcite tiez callol (ale ja by som sa do tejto situacie nedostal lebo by som foldol pred flopom :))

kazdopadne az na ten call pred flopom to bolo celkom OK podla mojho skromneho nazoru zahrate

no zjavne tito hraci mali na seba nejaky read, zo strany Campeon68 je to v podstate standardny postup ci by mu ta 7 pomohla alebo nie

je to uz vyssi level tak sa uz hrava divokejsie v podstate Campeon68 floatol na flope s nicim kvoli tomu aby na turne mohol ukradnut pot a checkrasoval by nezavisle na tom ci trafi 7 alebo nie. Super zrejme vedel ze Campeon68 je toho schopny a callol ho s niecim co by som tipoval na par okolo 55,66, mozno naozaj A high.

toto tazko nejako posudzovat, je teoreticky mozne ze to boli dvaja magori :) ale takto sa aj normalne hrava, dovodom je hlavne to aby superi videli ze si ochotny callovat raisy s nicim, dorovnavat continuation bety s nicim, check/reraisovat s nicim, pretoze potom sa im proti tebe bude velmi tazko hrat ked nebudu vediet ci mas nejakeho monstera alebo bluffujes

dolezite je aj to ze Campeon68 neriskoval vela chipov lebo super mal len nejakych 20% buyinu

Dik Yegon za tvoj nazor. Asi mas pravdu, berem. Len doplnim ze to Q som mu neveril a tipoval som ho na flush draw. A este jedna perlicka Q-5 hram asi vzdy ked sa da, lebo je to moja naj naj naj ruka.

preco sa to Q tak vsetkym paci :)

moja naj naj naj ruka bola Q7 ale ked som si nainstaloval PokerTracker a pozrel som si ze som na Q7 celkom slusne stratovy tak som jej dal kopacky :)

doporucujem ak mas oblubenu ruku hrat ju len v pozcii ked uz ju musis hrat

ono s tym ze co by super mohol mat na ruke je trosku problem, treba si uvedomit ci naozaj tipujes supera na to co by podla teba mohol mat alebo na to si zelas aby mal :) (vacsinou nad tym co si zelas aby mal vyhravas)

lebo je to ako uder panvicou do hlavy ked v takejto ruke narazis na AQ a dojde ti ze 5-ka nie je uplne idealny kicker a ze vsetkym zucastnenym musis pripadat ako megaovca ;) - hovorim z trpkej skusenosti