kedze sa zacinam ucit a tu je vela skilled hracov, budem sem obcas davat nejake otazky a vysledky so snahou priucit sa co to da

zacal som v 11/08 CG NL4 na U***et (odohral som sice len cca 5k ruk, ale nemal som z toho zly pocit, tak teraz od 1/09 skusam NL10 na Pacific s BR 10BI (trochu malo, ale uvidime ako sa bude darit)

januar som zacal nejak takto

viem ze je to dost mala vzorka ale mam nejake statistiky vyraznejsie horsie, resp. na co by som sa mal zamerat?

niekolko ruk, kde by som rad pocul nazor ako to bolo treba hrat

1.

$0.05/$0.1 Blinds No Limit Hold'em

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: mustaf95 ( $10.69 )
Seat 2: zammalz ( $10.94 )
Seat 5: kari51 ( $4.61 )
Seat 6: vitmarcos ( $6.44 )
Seat 7: Horsey777 ( $13.09 )

vitmarcos posts small blind [$0.05].
Horsey777 posts big blind [$0.1].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Horsey777 [ K K ]

mustaf95 calls [$0.1].
zammalz folds.
kari51 calls [$0.1].
vitmarcos calls [$0.05].
Horsey777 raises [$0.4].
mustaf95 calls [$0.4].
kari51 calls [$0.4].
vitmarcos calls [$0.4].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4 , 8 , 3 ]

vitmarcos checks.
Horsey777 bets [$1.9].
mustaf95 calls [$1.9].
kari51 folds.
vitmarcos calls [$1.9].

** Dealing Turn ** [ T ]

vitmarcos checks.
Horsey777 checks.
mustaf95 bets [$8.29].
vitmarcos folds.
Horsey777 calls [$8.29].

** Dealing River ** [ 2 ]

** Summary **
mustaf95 shows [ 5d Ad ].
Horsey777 shows [ Kc Kh ].
mustaf95 collected [$23.07].

call ci nie? jeho stats 67/3/1

2.

$0.05/$0.1 Blinds No Limit Hold'em

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: luichi01 ( $2.4 )
Seat 5: novleha ( $15.66 )
Seat 6: orca78 ( $7.78 )
Seat 7: Horsey777 ( $23.73 )
Seat 8: _JGB_ ( $15.04 )

Horsey777 posts small blind [$0.05].
_JGB_ posts big blind [$0.1].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Horsey777 [ 6 6 ]
luichi01 raises [$0.2].
novleha folds.
orca78 folds.
Horsey777 calls [$0.15].
_JGB_ calls [$0.1].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 6 , 5 , 9 ]

Horsey777 checks.
_JGB_ checks.
luichi01 bets [$0.6].
Horsey777 calls [$0.6].
_JGB_ calls [$0.6].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 8 ]

Horsey777 checks.
_JGB_ checks.
luichi01 bets [$1.6].
Horsey777 calls [$1.6].
_JGB_ folds.

** Dealing River ** [ K ]

** Summary **

luichi01 shows [ Qh Jh ].
Horsey777 shows [ 6s 6h ].
luichi01 collected [$5.32].

ako som to mal hrat? jeho stats 71/21/1

3.

$0.05/$0.1 Blinds No Limit Hold'em

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: hype84 ( $40.3 )
Seat 2: zammalz ( $10 )
Seat 6: IzzyCom ( $4.7 )
Seat 7: Horsey777 ( $10.2 )
Seat 8: cigone ( $3 )
Horsey777 posts small blind [$0.05].
cigone posts big blind [$0.1].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to Horsey777 [ A K ]
hype84 calls [$0.1].
zammalz folds.
IzzyCom calls [$0.1].
Horsey777 raises [$0.4].
cigone folds.
hype84 calls [$0.35].
IzzyCom calls [$0.35].

** Dealing Flop ** [ T , 3 , Q ]

Horsey777 bets [$0.69].
hype84 folds.
IzzyCom raises [$1.38].
Horsey777 calls [$0.69].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 2 ]

Horsey777 checks.
IzzyCom bets [$2.87].
Horsey777 folds.

** Summary **
IzzyCom collected [$6.87].

ako zahrat? jeho stats 74/26/3.5

4.

$0.05/$0.1 Blinds No Limit Hold'em

Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: mustaf95 ( $23.38 )
Seat 2: zammalz ( $11.32 )
Seat 4: NicoleB3 ( $13.36 )
Seat 5: kari51 ( $4.41 )
Seat 6: vitmarcos ( $9.6 )
Seat 7: Horsey777 ( $9.85 )
zammalz posts small blind [$0.05].
NicoleB3 posts big blind [$0.1].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to Horsey777 [ 6 7 ]

kari51 calls [$0.1].
vitmarcos folds.
Horsey777 calls [$0.1].
mustaf95 folds.
zammalz folds.
NicoleB3 checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8 , 6 , 9 ]

NicoleB3 bets [$0.4].
kari51 folds.
Horsey777 calls [$0.4].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 9 ]

NicoleB3 checks.
Horsey777 checks.

** Dealing River ** [ 6 ]

NicoleB3 checks.
Horsey777 bets [$1.1].
NicoleB3 raises [$12.86].
Horsey777 folds.

** Summary **
NicoleB3 collected [$14.95].

zlozit FH je jedna vec ale ked som predpokladal ze ma 9? jeho stats 25/2/8

Vitaj .. Gratulujem k uspesnemu startu a drzim palce, nech to vydrzi !

Tak sa skusim nejak vyjadrit k tym rukam podla svojho najlepsieho svedomia a vedomia .

1)

Preflop vacsi raise. Tak 4xBB + 1xBB za limpera, takze 7xBB, nech z toho nie je multiway pot. Neboj sa toho, ze Ti to vsetci foldnu. 4 vyhrane BB pred flopom je lepsie ako velky multiway pot.

Teraz si sa dostal do neprijemnej situacie, ale tak podla mna betuj pekne for value, ak nepride diamond alebo ina karta, pri ktorej by niekto prilis ozil. Nemusis to vyhrat vzdy, aby to bolo ziskove. Akonahle niekto pasivny raisne, tak 1 pair is not good enough. 67/3/1 by som naozaj necalloval - je to superpasivna fishka, ktora ak vrazi svoj stack v takej situacii do potu, tak par Ta nespasi.

2)

Preflop v pohode, ale ja osobne by som betoval. Najma ak ma AF 1, tak vobec nie je iste, ze sa na flope bude blaznit. Checkovat na takom turne je samovrazda - netuzis rozdavat dalsie karty. Je tolko kariet, ktore im mozu dat silnejsie ruky, ale aj ich mozu vyplasit a uz sa im nebude tak stacknut.

3)

Raise preflop znova maly. Mas znacnu equity s 2 overcards a gutshotom, takze na minraise neskladas. Ja osobne by som to po reraise rovno pushol na flope a dufal, ze nejaky z tych 10 outs pride. Ak ma QT, tak je to blbe a mas 4 outs, ale tak s takymi stats moze mat vselico. Ma 47BB stack, takze prask to tam.

4)

Call na flope sa mne osobne nepaci. Ked limpne a takto to tam vrazi, tak ma viac ako par sestiek. Ak Ti pride 7, tak uz na boarde so 4 kartami do postupky velku hodnotu neziskas, pritom mozes este viac stratit, ak ma vyssi par a draw alebo ma kombodraw. Je to situacia, v ktorej vela stratis, ale nemusis vela ziskat. No tam tom riveri foldujem. Po checku turnu a takom naramnom oziti na riveri mozes dufat v chop a casto ma lepsi FH.

dzejkej napísal:1)

Preflop vacsi raise. Tak 4xBB + 1xBB za limpera, takze 7xBB, nech z toho nie je multiway pot. Neboj sa toho, ze Ti to vsetci foldnu. 4 vyhrane BB pred flopom je lepsie ako velky multiway pot.

Teraz si sa dostal do neprijemnej situacie, ale tak podla mna betuj pekne for value, ak nepride diamond alebo ina karta, pri ktorej by niekto prilis ozil. Nemusis to vyhrat vzdy, aby to bolo ziskove. Akonahle niekto pasivny raisne, tak 1 pair is not good enough. 67/3/1 by som naozaj necalloval - je to superpasivna fishka, ktora ak vrazi svoj stack v takej situacii do potu, tak par Ta nespasi.

nj najhorsie ze tu ma bil len flopnuty flush a AA, FD s A ak by dorazil diamond, nakolko som mal FD s moznym second nut flush

takze je to neziskovy call?

dzejkej napísal:2)

Preflop v pohode, ale ja osobne by som betoval. Najma ak ma AF 1, tak vobec nie je iste, ze sa na flope bude blaznit. Checkovat na takom turne je samovrazda - netuzis rozdavat dalsie karty. Je tolko kariet, ktore im mozu dat silnejsie ruky, ale aj ich mozu vyplasit a uz sa im nebude tak stacknut.

nejak neviem ako mam hrat nizke pary, na tychto limitoch kde sa vsetci hrnu do multiway potov to radsej vsetko limpujem a cakam na set..inak ten flop bol fakt dangerous, ale to vies, ten kto trafi set je "superman" a neboji sa nicoho

dzejkej napísal:3)

Raise preflop znova maly. Mas znacnu equity s 2 overcards a gutshotom, takze na minraise neskladas. Ja osobne by som to po reraise rovno pushol na flope a dufal, ze nejaky z tych 10 outs pride. Ak ma QT, tak je to blbe a mas 4 outs, ale tak s takymi stats moze mat vselico. Ma 47BB stack, takze prask to tam..

myslel si reraise turn AI s tym ze ho to ma presvedcit ze mam lepsie Q ako on + cakat na tie outy?

dzejkej napísal:4)

Call na flope sa mne osobne nepaci. Ked limpne a takto to tam vrazi, tak ma viac ako par sestiek. Ak Ti pride 7, tak uz na boarde so 4 kartami do postupky velku hodnotu neziskas, pritom mozes este viac stratit, ak ma vyssi par a draw alebo ma kombodraw. Je to situacia, v ktorej vela stratis, ale nemusis vela ziskat. No tam tom riveri foldujem. Po checku turnu a takom naramnom oziti na riveri mozes dufat v chop a casto ma lepsi FH.

cize flop fold kvoli bud lepsiemu paru alebo FD?

horsey nizke pary su vzdy problem ale niekde s cutoff/button/blinds casto raise, a pozrime sa co ti to da
variant A: limpnes
raz za nejakych 8 krat to teda trafis
ale si v multiway pote proti 3/4..tymto sa zvysuje sice sanca ze budes mat koho stacknut ale aj ta, ze niekto chytil nejaku zversku draw, kludne aj 2/3, navyse pot je relativne nic moc a ty nemas do coho rozmune betovat
variant B: raisujes
mal by si redukovat pocet superov, ak to padne na headsup a si v pozicii, casto cekne a ty ho vhodnym cbetom posles (aj na mikrolimitoch z mojej vlastnej skusenosti), a ked trafis ten set, mas aspon do coho vhodne betovat..

cize raisovat nizke pary z pozicie a limpovat OOP?

to je zhruba to, k comu som sa ja na mikrolimite postupom casu dopatral..
ale nieco ako 88+ uz raisujem aj UTG, ale zavisi podla stola ahracov
ak tam mas 5tich superloose manikov, ktorym nevadi 5/6/7/8/x BB pf raise a stale vsetci idu, je rozumne byt ovela viac tight, a obmedzovat svoje raisy v podstate len na cut off a button, ak teda vravime o 6maxe
vseobecne smerom k neskorym poziciam by sa mal tvoj raising range otvarat , cim earlier, tym viac tight..
sam si si uz iste vsimol, ze v pozicii sa hra ovela ovela lepsie

1) Flush, 2 pary, set Ta poraza. AA hadam nema, i ked clovek nikty nevie pri takych statoch . Overbetuje pot a nemas dobre odds. Necakam, ze 67/3/1 pushne stack na turne s jednym parom.

Myslis, ze keby som to pokladal za ziskovy call, tak napisem, ze by som to necalloval?

2) Ten flop je dangerous v tom, ze 7 alebo 8 umozni niekomu lahku postupku a ani keby ju nemali, tak uz nebudu tak nadsene platit tvoj set s 2 parmi, TP a podobne. Nemozes sa spolahnut, ze niekto s AF 1 bude betovat, takze povinne betujes jednak for value a taktiez ich nechavas platit, ak maju draw. Poraza Ta iba 78 a 99, takze takmer vzdy mas v tom momente lepsiu ruku.

3) Nie, napisal som, ze by som to po reraise pushol a reraisoval ma na flope. Jeho staty mi pridu blaznive a necakas, ze ma ruky ako AT, KT, AQ, KQ, TT, QQ a vacsinou ani 33, pretoze tie by veselo raisoval. Raisuje 26% ruk, takze skor cakam random pary ako Q8, T9 a pod, ktore jednak moze nakoniec aj zlozit a mas proti nim tak 36% sancu na vyhru. Nemusi mat ani Q casto s takymi stats, imo. Na minraise moze mas nic, moze mat monster - je to dost specificke, ale kedze mu zostava uz stack mensi ako pot, tak to tak nasukam a pozriem sa, co to drzi v rukach a napisem si k nemu, s cim minraisuje .

4) Co cakas, ze porazas? Ak mas set, je zle, ak ma 2 pary, je zle, ak ma lepsi par a FD, je zle, ak ma lepsi par a str8 draw, je zle, ak ma overcards a FD, je zle, ak ma lepsi par, je stale vo vyhode. Prakticky Ta vacsina veci, co moze mat, poraza a ked Ti pride Tvoja postupka, tak Ti uz nemusi nic zaplatit, lebo board bude mat 4 karty do postupky.

dnes som si povedal ze musim dat aspon 1k ruk (3 stoly) ale za tych 320 hands som stihol:

KK vs AA (flop 222;)
QQ vs AA
str8 vs flush (river indeed)
AK vs KK
QQ vs JJ (J river)
str8 vs vyssia str8 (ak mate 9x na boarde 56782 hadajte co ma super;)
FH vs FH

takze pauzicka a zajtra si dame reparat

ked som si teraz analyzoval situacie tak viacmenej som neprehral sprostostami viac ako 20BB takze ani sem nemam velmi co postnut



inac taka perlicka - hrac co ma stackol s AA vs KK mal evidentne svoj den..so statmi 46/1/1 je milacik bohov

ked to nejde tak to nejde

ani jeden tilt, snazil som sa o absolutnu disciplinu a hrat aj po chybach co najlepsie


1. ruka za ktoru som na seba fakt nastvany

Horsey7 sitting in seat 1 with €3.92
bonebona sitting in seat 2 with €2.91[Dealer]
shunpoker sitting in seat 3 with €2.01
easty555 sitting in seat 4 with €3.77
OscarErik sitting in seat 5 with €6.56[Sitting out]
bubbly1 sitting in seat 6 with €5.43
shunpoker posted the small blind - €0.02
easty555 posted the big blind - €0.04

** Dealing cards to Horsey7: J , J
bubbly1 called - €0.04
Horsey7 raised to €0.20
bonebona folded
shunpoker called - €0.20
easty555 folded
bubbly1 called - €0.20

** Dealing the flop: 2 , 9 , 5
shunpoker checked
bubbly1 bet - €0.04
Horsey7 raised to €0.40
shunpoker folded
bubbly1 called - €0.40

** Dealing the turn: 6
bubbly1 checked
Horsey7 bet - €1.00
bubbly1 went all-in - €4.83
Horsey7 went all-in - €2.32

** Dealing the river: 3
bubbly1 shows: 8d, 7h
Horsey7 mucks: Jh, Jd
bubbly1 wins €7.98 from the main pot

stats 45/2/3



2. zlozit?

Horsey7 sitting in seat 1 with €3.74[Dealer]
MWC sitting in seat 2 with €3.36
jannec111 sitting in seat 3 with €4.00
bonebona sitting in seat 4 with €3.57
JumbodaCumba sitting in seat 5 with €4.06
oilarama sitting in seat 6 with €3.80
MWC posted the small blind - €0.02
jannec111 posted the big blind - €0.04

** Dealing cards to Horsey7: A , A
bonebona called - €0.04
JumbodaCumba folded
oilarama folded
Horsey7 raised to €0.20
MWC called - €0.20
jannec111 folded
bonebona called - €0.20

** Dealing the flop: 9 , 2 , 8
MWC checked
bonebona checked
Horsey7 bet - €0.30
MWC called - €0.30
bonebona folded

** Dealing the turn: A
MWC checked
Horsey7 bet - €0.60
MWC called - €0.60

** Dealing the river: K
MWC bet - €1.22
Horsey7 went all-in - €2.64
MWC went all-in - €1.04
MWC shows: Jd, 7d
Horsey7 mucks: Ah, As
MWC wins €6.86 from the main pot

stats 35/15/1.5

3. ako som to mal hrat?

pintas12 sitting in seat 1 with €5.12
yllear sitting in seat 2 with €1.88
Horsey7 sitting in seat 3 with €8.24
fredmorb56 sitting in seat 4 with €2.50[Dealer]
Bert56000 sitting in seat 5 with €4.71
OscarErik sitting in seat 6 with €4.28
Bert56000 posted the small blind - €0.02
OscarErik posted the big blind - €0.04

** Dealing cards to Horsey7: A , J
pintas12 raised to €0.16
yllear folded
Horsey7 called - €0.16
fredmorb56 folded
Bert56000 folded
OscarErik called - €0.16

** Dealing the flop: 5 , J , 9
OscarErik checked
pintas12 bet - €0.76
Horsey7 called - €0.76
OscarErik folded

** Dealing the turn: K
pintas12 checked
Horsey7 bet - €1.00
pintas12 went all-in - €4.20
Horsey7 folded
pintas12 mucks:
pintas12 wins €7.12 from the main pot

stats 13/6/1

4. ako by ste toto hrali?

serval1068 sitting in seat 1 with €12.52
astralio sitting in seat 2 with €6.26[Dealer]
Horsey7 sitting in seat 3 with €4.49
aleksei66 sitting in seat 4 with €4.48
rahoZ sitting in seat 5 with €3.20
pintas12 sitting in seat 6 with €4.13
Horsey7 posted the small blind - €0.02
aleksei66 posted the big blind - €0.04

** Dealing cards to Horsey7: 4 , A
pintas12 folded
serval1068 called - €0.04
astralio folded
Horsey7 called - €0.04
aleksei66 checked

** Dealing the flop: 10 , A , 4
Horsey7 checked
aleksei66 checked
serval1068 bet - €0.12
Horsey7 called - €0.12
aleksei66 folded

** Dealing the turn: 3
Horsey7 checked
serval1068 bet - €0.36
Horsey7 called - €0.36

** Dealing the river: 5
Horsey7 checked
serval1068 bet - €1.08
Horsey7 called - €1.08
serval1068 shows: 6h, 7d
Horsey7 mucks: 4d, Ad
serval1068 wins €3.14 from the main pot

stats 59/12/1.5

5. why?

serval1068 sitting in seat 1 with €1.76
astralio sitting in seat 2 with €9.55
Horsey7 sitting in seat 3 with €3.16
5upremebeing sitting in seat 4 with €4.60
labidas sitting in seat 5 with €1.60
yllear sitting in seat 6 with €3.07[Dealer]
serval1068 posted the small blind - €0.02
astralio posted the big blind - €0.04

** Dealing cards to Horsey7: A , K
Horsey7 raised to €0.16
5upremebeing folded
labidas folded
yllear folded
serval1068 called - €0.16
astralio folded

** Dealing the flop: 3 , J , 5
serval1068 checked
Horsey7 bet - €0.24
serval1068 called - €0.24

** Dealing the turn: Q
serval1068 checked
Horsey7 bet - €0.50
serval1068 called - €0.50

** Dealing the river: 3
serval1068 checked
Horsey7 checked
serval1068 shows: 3d, 2d
Horsey7 mucks: Ah, Kh
serval1068 wins €1.74 from the main pot

stats 59/12/1.5

1. väčší raise na flope, kľudne celý pot = 0,72; na turne je potom ten AI v pohode
2. opäť väčší bet na flope, cca. 0.5, na turne bet 1.2, river snapcall
3. na flope reraise na 2, turn call AI
4. flop raise na 0.45, turn bet 1.3
5. PF si predtým otváral na 0.2, drž sa toho, flop pohoda, turn trošku viac, river pohoda.

Ehm, neviem čo ma to napadlo dnes poskytovať poradenský servis, však na to tu máme yegona, idem spať, GN