Horsey blog
Re: Horsey blog
hned mi bolo jasne ze viac ako 1 den nemozem mat run
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stava sa vam ze HEM neimportuje nejake ruky? vsimol som si to nahodou ked som si chcel pozriet jednu ruku (+1BI) a HEM nic mi to pokazilo statistiky
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stava sa vam ze HEM neimportuje nejake ruky? vsimol som si to nahodou ked som si chcel pozriet jednu ruku (+1BI) a HEM nic mi to pokazilo statistiky
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Re: Horsey blog
Mne na UB/PP/Mansione/B**fair importovalo vsetko. Resp. som si nevsimol, ze by nieco vynechavalo. Len si treba dat pozor, aby si si zaskrtol to All pri rukach a nemal tam len poslednych 100/500.
Keby som Ti ukazal ja moje session vysledky na UB, budes sa citit ako superman. Po 4 nehoraznych sessions a 5K rukach som teraz mal prvu zelenu ... +$1.02 na NL25 .
Keby som Ti ukazal ja moje session vysledky na UB, budes sa citit ako superman. Po 4 nehoraznych sessions a 5K rukach som teraz mal prvu zelenu ... +$1.02 na NL25 .
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Re: Horsey blog
dnesna session
tuto hru som zahras strasne, ale rad by som vedel ako som to mal hrat..ten river neriesim
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
SB: $10.34 21/17/3
BB: $2.50
UTG: $3.89 42/6/2.5
MP: $4.61
CO: $3.25 44/6/1
Hero (BTN): $9.26
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J J
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.95, 1 fold, UTG raises to $3.89, CO calls $2.65 all in, Hero calls $1.89, SB calls $1.89
Flop: ($15.02) 9 4 7 (4 players - 1 is all in)
SB bets $6.40, Hero calls $5.37 all in
Turn: ($25.76) 7 (4 players - 2 are all in)
River: ($25.76) A (4 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: $25.76
SB shows Q A
UTG shows K A
UTG wins $1.82
SB wins $1.03
UTG wins $12.45
SB wins $9.18
(Rake: $1.28)
tuto hru som zahras strasne, ale rad by som vedel ako som to mal hrat..ten river neriesim
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
SB: $10.34 21/17/3
BB: $2.50
UTG: $3.89 42/6/2.5
MP: $4.61
CO: $3.25 44/6/1
Hero (BTN): $9.26
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J J
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.95, 1 fold, UTG raises to $3.89, CO calls $2.65 all in, Hero calls $1.89, SB calls $1.89
Flop: ($15.02) 9 4 7 (4 players - 1 is all in)
SB bets $6.40, Hero calls $5.37 all in
Turn: ($25.76) 7 (4 players - 2 are all in)
River: ($25.76) A (4 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: $25.76
SB shows Q A
UTG shows K A
UTG wins $1.82
SB wins $1.03
UTG wins $12.45
SB wins $9.18
(Rake: $1.28)
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Re: Horsey blog
Horsey7 napísal:dnesna session
tuto hru som zahras strasne, ale rad by som vedel ako som to mal hrat..ten river neriesim
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
SB: $10.34 21/17/3
BB: $2.50
UTG: $3.89 42/6/2.5
MP: $4.61
CO: $3.25 44/6/1
Hero (BTN): $9.26
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J J
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.95, 1 fold, UTG raises to $3.89, CO calls $2.65 all in, Hero calls $1.89, SB calls $1.89
Flop: ($15.02) 9 4 7 (4 players - 1 is all in)
SB bets $6.40, Hero calls $5.37 all in
Turn: ($25.76) 7 (4 players - 2 are all in)
River: ($25.76) A (4 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: $25.76
SB shows Q A
UTG shows K A
UTG wins $1.82
SB wins $1.03
UTG wins $12.45
SB wins $9.18
(Rake: $1.28)
Takto isto som to vyhral aj ja s mojim A4 proti JJ Myslim ,ze si mi na to reagoval. Ja by som to zahodil.Ono si kazdy myslel ,ze mas A nieco a potom si trufaju.Keby vedeli,ze mas JJ to zahodia.
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Re: Horsey blog
dnes celkom prijemna minisession so zamerom skusat viac 3bet alias "ako nastvat regulara"
..ked konecne trafite proti aggro donkovi co vas celu session jemne vytaca
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Jayvano (BTN): $2.36
NickeSixx (SB): $11.43
brammen01 (BB): $8.38 56/21/2.3
quickstart11 (UTG): $32.77
Hero (MP): $10.80
VALIES (CO): $1.75
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with J J
quickstart11 raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 3 folds, brammen01 raises to $2.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.10
Flop: ($5.45) T J K (2 players)
brammen01 checks, Hero bets $8.30, brammen01 calls $5.88 all in
Turn: ($17.21) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($17.21) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $17.21
brammen01 shows Q K
brammen01 wins $16.16
Hero wins $0.10
(Rake: $0.95)
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spatne neviem uplne vysvetlit to ze som nereraisol PF (vplyvom gameflow), posledne hry som bol dost aggro a este mi aj chodilo, bolo tam kopec loose hracov a ocakaval som min. 3 hracov aj po reraise a JJ nejak nemam rad, furt s tym prehravam..inak na 99.99% inokedy by bol reraise
..ked konecne trafite proti aggro donkovi co vas celu session jemne vytaca
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Jayvano (BTN): $2.36
NickeSixx (SB): $11.43
brammen01 (BB): $8.38 56/21/2.3
quickstart11 (UTG): $32.77
Hero (MP): $10.80
VALIES (CO): $1.75
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with J J
quickstart11 raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 3 folds, brammen01 raises to $2.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.10
Flop: ($5.45) T J K (2 players)
brammen01 checks, Hero bets $8.30, brammen01 calls $5.88 all in
Turn: ($17.21) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($17.21) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $17.21
brammen01 shows Q K
brammen01 wins $16.16
Hero wins $0.10
(Rake: $0.95)
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spatne neviem uplne vysvetlit to ze som nereraisol PF (vplyvom gameflow), posledne hry som bol dost aggro a este mi aj chodilo, bolo tam kopec loose hracov a ocakaval som min. 3 hracov aj po reraise a JJ nejak nemam rad, furt s tym prehravam..inak na 99.99% inokedy by bol reraise
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Re: Horsey blog
Neviem, aky mal 3bet%, ale akonahle by 3betol, tak proti takemu magorove 4bet pushnem for value hned ako UTG foldne .
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Re: Horsey blog
1. ako to malo byt zahrane?
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
devoured (CO): $10.10
Hero (BTN): $11.27
Marchou (SB): $10.86
Fish-killer (BB): $14.18 73/7/11
jones1808 (UTG): $4.22
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J K
jones1808 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Fish-killer calls $0.40, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.15) 4 J 8 (2 players)
Fish-killer checks, Hero bets $0.80, Fish-killer raises to $1.60, Hero calls $0.80
Turn: ($4.35) 5 (2 players)
Fish-killer bets $1.08, Hero calls $1.08
River: ($6.51) T (2 players)
Fish-killer bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25
2. rovnaka otazka
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
devoured (SB): $9.19
Hero (BB): $10.70
Marchou (UTG): $10.78
comingback (MP): $1.70
Nostra777 (CO): $15.08
jones1808 (BTN): $6.73 40/9/2
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with T A
3 folds, jones1808 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, jones1808 calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.85) T 6 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, jones1808 raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $4.20, jones1808 raises to $6.33, Hero calls $2.13
Turn: ($13.51) 8 (2 players)
River: ($13.51) 2 (2 players)
3. tu som fakt nevedel..
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Bigpalm (BB): $10.10 30/12/2
TomasGas (UTG): $5.08
Krysal35 (CO): $9.20
MrAka (BTN): $11.68
Hero (SB): $12.13
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, Bigpalm calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.70) 3 8 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, Bigpalm calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.70) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, Bigpalm raises to $3, Hero?
4. ako zahrat?
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
chlas53 (CO): $2.10
Miipako (BTN): $9.80
Hero (SB): $9.80
Alex074 (BB): $18.89 63/2/1.8
rhytmuss (UTG): $11.21
Krysal35 (MP): $9.85
chlas53 posts a big blind ($0.10)
Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is SB with 9 8
2 folds, chlas53 checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, Alex074 calls $0.40, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.10) T 8 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, Alex074 calls $0.70
Turn: ($2.50) A (2 players) Hero?
5. donkbety mi robia vrasky all the time
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
devoured (MP): $8.94
Hero (CO): $9.20
Marchou (BTN): $10.14
comingback (SB): $1.85
Nostra777 (BB): $18.36 55/13/2
jones1808 (UTG): $10.70
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 9 A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Nostra777 calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.85) A K 5 (2 players)
Nostra777 bets $0.85, Hero?
6. najvacsia hanba v mojej kratkej pokrovej historii dufam ze prvy a posledny krat
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
TomasGas (BB): $5.10
Krysal35 (UTG): $9.45
grindanseb (CO): $8.68
MrAka (BTN): $10.27
Hero (SB): $13.53
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 7 Q
2 folds, MrAka calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, TomasGas checks
Flop: ($0.30) 7 5 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, TomasGas checks, MrAka bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, TomasGas folds, MrAka calls $0.30
Turn: ($1.10) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, MrAka calls $0.80
River: ($2.70) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MrAka bets $3.00, Hero folds WHAT??? omgwtfsuicide?
7. prvy tilt snad po 2 mesiacoch
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Hero (MP): $9.85
TheSuck (CO): $19.49
babbione (BTN): $5.65
PlayahCardz (SB): $9.53 30/20/2.3
Olaf37 (BB): $24.30
Miipako (UTG): $10.09
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with 7 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, babbione calls $0.40, PlayahCardz raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.40, 1 fold, PlayahCardz raises to $9.48, Hero calls $3.08
Flop: ($19.46) 4 Q K (2 players)
Turn: ($19.46) 6 (2 players)
River: ($19.46) 6 (2 players)
Final Pot: $19.46
PlayahCardz shows K A
PlayahCardz wins $18.49
(Rake: $0.97)
zatial -2.5 BI po 300! rukach s jednym tiltom..
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
devoured (CO): $10.10
Hero (BTN): $11.27
Marchou (SB): $10.86
Fish-killer (BB): $14.18 73/7/11
jones1808 (UTG): $4.22
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J K
jones1808 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Fish-killer calls $0.40, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.15) 4 J 8 (2 players)
Fish-killer checks, Hero bets $0.80, Fish-killer raises to $1.60, Hero calls $0.80
Turn: ($4.35) 5 (2 players)
Fish-killer bets $1.08, Hero calls $1.08
River: ($6.51) T (2 players)
Fish-killer bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25
2. rovnaka otazka
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
devoured (SB): $9.19
Hero (BB): $10.70
Marchou (UTG): $10.78
comingback (MP): $1.70
Nostra777 (CO): $15.08
jones1808 (BTN): $6.73 40/9/2
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with T A
3 folds, jones1808 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, jones1808 calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.85) T 6 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, jones1808 raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $4.20, jones1808 raises to $6.33, Hero calls $2.13
Turn: ($13.51) 8 (2 players)
River: ($13.51) 2 (2 players)
3. tu som fakt nevedel..
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Bigpalm (BB): $10.10 30/12/2
TomasGas (UTG): $5.08
Krysal35 (CO): $9.20
MrAka (BTN): $11.68
Hero (SB): $12.13
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, Bigpalm calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.70) 3 8 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, Bigpalm calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.70) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, Bigpalm raises to $3, Hero?
4. ako zahrat?
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
chlas53 (CO): $2.10
Miipako (BTN): $9.80
Hero (SB): $9.80
Alex074 (BB): $18.89 63/2/1.8
rhytmuss (UTG): $11.21
Krysal35 (MP): $9.85
chlas53 posts a big blind ($0.10)
Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is SB with 9 8
2 folds, chlas53 checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, Alex074 calls $0.40, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.10) T 8 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, Alex074 calls $0.70
Turn: ($2.50) A (2 players) Hero?
5. donkbety mi robia vrasky all the time
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
devoured (MP): $8.94
Hero (CO): $9.20
Marchou (BTN): $10.14
comingback (SB): $1.85
Nostra777 (BB): $18.36 55/13/2
jones1808 (UTG): $10.70
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 9 A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Nostra777 calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.85) A K 5 (2 players)
Nostra777 bets $0.85, Hero?
6. najvacsia hanba v mojej kratkej pokrovej historii dufam ze prvy a posledny krat
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
TomasGas (BB): $5.10
Krysal35 (UTG): $9.45
grindanseb (CO): $8.68
MrAka (BTN): $10.27
Hero (SB): $13.53
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 7 Q
2 folds, MrAka calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, TomasGas checks
Flop: ($0.30) 7 5 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, TomasGas checks, MrAka bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, TomasGas folds, MrAka calls $0.30
Turn: ($1.10) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, MrAka calls $0.80
River: ($2.70) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MrAka bets $3.00, Hero folds WHAT??? omgwtfsuicide?
7. prvy tilt snad po 2 mesiacoch
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Hero (MP): $9.85
TheSuck (CO): $19.49
babbione (BTN): $5.65
PlayahCardz (SB): $9.53 30/20/2.3
Olaf37 (BB): $24.30
Miipako (UTG): $10.09
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with 7 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, babbione calls $0.40, PlayahCardz raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.40, 1 fold, PlayahCardz raises to $9.48, Hero calls $3.08
Flop: ($19.46) 4 Q K (2 players)
Turn: ($19.46) 6 (2 players)
River: ($19.46) 6 (2 players)
Final Pot: $19.46
PlayahCardz shows K A
PlayahCardz wins $18.49
(Rake: $0.97)
zatial -2.5 BI po 300! rukach s jednym tiltom..
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Re: Horsey blog
..pokracovanie
8. Konik nahana even alias ako prehrat 20:1
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $10.59
SB: $16.78
BB: $9.03
UTG: $32.63
MP: $3.69
Hero (CO): $9.45
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A A
1 fold, MP raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.30, 3 folds, MP raises to $3.69, Hero calls $2.39
Flop: ($7.53) 2 K 8 (2 players)
Turn: ($7.53) 3 (2 players)
River: ($7.53) K are you kidding me, do ya?(2 players)
Final Pot: $7.53
MP shows K A
MP wins $7.16
(Rake: $0.37)
8. Konik nahana even alias ako prehrat 20:1
Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $10.59
SB: $16.78
BB: $9.03
UTG: $32.63
MP: $3.69
Hero (CO): $9.45
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A A
1 fold, MP raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.30, 3 folds, MP raises to $3.69, Hero calls $2.39
Flop: ($7.53) 2 K 8 (2 players)
Turn: ($7.53) 3 (2 players)
River: ($7.53) K are you kidding me, do ya?(2 players)
Final Pot: $7.53
MP shows K A
MP wins $7.16
(Rake: $0.37)
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Re: Horsey blog
any comments k rukam 1-5 please?
tiez kto ste pochopili zvyrazneny point z Fees 6max strategy? Aka je pointa na Kxx flope betovat rr s 98ss na oboch streets?
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samozrejme myslene to bolo preco donkbet s takymto bordom a hole cards a preco "no matter what the turn is"
Donk betting (leading):
This is a very interesting part of the game, very few players do it. I don't do it that much, but
there are situations where it is optimal. The reason I don't do it that much is because people
cbet way too much in general, so check-raising is typically better. Don't just donkbet to
donkbet, have a purpose.
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Typically check/calling a weak flush draw, say 65s on QJ8ss isn't profitable, check raising
MIGHT be profitable but again its a grayish area. There is absolutely nothing wrong with
leading this flop with your hand. The great thing about leading this board with our hand is we
can very easily bet/fold, and since our opponent has no idea what our lead range is (until we
build up extensive history) in his eyes we could have anything. We can be sure we're dead if
he raises.
The first time I lead into someone I will normally have some weak hand, what I will never do is
lead any draw/made hand and check/fold the turn. Sometimes I decide to lead KQ on Axx or
T9 on K86 or something, but if I have 98ss with a back door flush draw on Kxx you better
believe I'm betting the flop and turn, no matter what the turn is.
tiez kto ste pochopili zvyrazneny point z Fees 6max strategy? Aka je pointa na Kxx flope betovat rr s 98ss na oboch streets?
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samozrejme myslene to bolo preco donkbet s takymto bordom a hole cards a preco "no matter what the turn is"
Donk betting (leading):
This is a very interesting part of the game, very few players do it. I don't do it that much, but
there are situations where it is optimal. The reason I don't do it that much is because people
cbet way too much in general, so check-raising is typically better. Don't just donkbet to
donkbet, have a purpose.
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Typically check/calling a weak flush draw, say 65s on QJ8ss isn't profitable, check raising
MIGHT be profitable but again its a grayish area. There is absolutely nothing wrong with
leading this flop with your hand. The great thing about leading this board with our hand is we
can very easily bet/fold, and since our opponent has no idea what our lead range is (until we
build up extensive history) in his eyes we could have anything. We can be sure we're dead if
he raises.
The first time I lead into someone I will normally have some weak hand, what I will never do is
lead any draw/made hand and check/fold the turn. Sometimes I decide to lead KQ on Axx or
T9 on K86 or something, but if I have 98ss with a back door flush draw on Kxx you better
believe I'm betting the flop and turn, no matter what the turn is.
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Re: Horsey blog
-konik ja by som hral takto,avsak netvrdim ze je to spravne:
1.call,fishkam neverim
2.tak ako ty
3.asi ma tu 8,ale neviem ci by som to polozil
4.bet a uvidis dalej
5.call alebo rr
1.call,fishkam neverim
2.tak ako ty
3.asi ma tu 8,ale neviem ci by som to polozil
4.bet a uvidis dalej
5.call alebo rr
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palo1973 - Príspevky: 5199
- Založený: Máj 2008
- Poďakoval/li: 61 krát/219 krát
- Karma: 27
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