Originally Posted by ike
No, I think that's crazy.

First of all, we haven't seen anything other than vague claims from P****Stars to suggest that there was anything "unsustainable" about the status quo. Given the context in which we've started hearing about it, I'm not inclined to take them at their word on that point. So, to begin with, I'm not convinced that there's a recently emerged problem with losing players losing too quickly that needs to be fixed.

Just for sake of argument, let's assume that there is. To be charitable to the view that the changes are somehow good for the net depositors, lets also assume that the amount of rake they pay is unchanged. In fact, at high stakes anyway, a bunch of them are SN and even chromestars will now pay more rake.

Anyway, let's think about what changes in a game where the regs start paying more rake than they had before and the recs pay the same. The player pool is already over-saturated with regs. If one rec wants to play 25/50 6m NL, there might be as many as 20 or 30 pros online at any given time who are willing to fill those other five seats. Many of them are very small winners or even don't beat the full price rake and can only survive due to rewards.

Now, in a higher effective rake environment, a bunch of those guys can't win anymore or can't win enough for playing that 25/50 game to be a better use of their time than playing lower. So the remaining player pool for that 25/50 game is smaller and stronger and P****Stars is taking more $/hand out of the game. How is this possibly a better situation for the rec?

To actually have the (supposedly) intended effect of making the games softer for recreational players, Stars would have to raise the rake so high that (almost) no one could win. If the rake got so bad that nearly all pros required two amateurs per table to play, then, sure, the amateurs would get to play in softer games. This might actually happen in certain game formats, like hyper SNGs. But then the games would also run dramatically less often and the extra rake might prove to be an equally unbeatable and even less fun adversary than the tough player pools that are (supposedly) deterring net depositors right now.

To be honest, I have a hard time believing that the people making these decisions sincerely believe that killing SNE does anything good for net depositors. I think the purpose of cutting spending on the VIP program is to cut spending on the VIP program and all the poker ecology mumbo jumbo is made up after the fact to rationalize it.

nakedandfamous napísal:Nejak mi to nejde do hlavy. Vsetci tvrdia, ze je to "moneygrab" a ze Amaya ide len po zisku. Na druhej strane vela regs tvrdi, ze Amaya pride o zisk, ked regs budu hrat ovela menej (kedze vela z nich sa to pri vyssom rake neoplati).

Stavil by som 10:1 ze Amaya ma ovela lepsie data a vie, co robi a ze potreba regov na konvertovanie depositov na rake je hlupost na kvadrat.

pakroc napísal:Tieto tzv. rezignacie su smiesne.
Proste tyto pro hraci vedia ze im uz Amaya nepredlzi zmluvy, resp dostanu zlomok toho co teraz, tak teraz vo velkom odchadzaju.

it's part of a respectable poker brand to have some of the best players in the world on your roster. the cost is negligible compared to someone like ronaldo who is literally 100x more. it may not draw direct new customers but adds value to the goodwill of the brand. if team P****Stars was matt Damon, ronaldo, Taylor swift, Rafa Nadal and Bruce Springsteen w no poker players sure that may draw some customers but they lose some of their credibility as a -poker- site

Zeltzn napísal:
o koľko si schopný sa max staviť? už len treba zohnať escrowa

Zeltzn napísal:
Hráči ako Kanu alebo Ike majú inú value pre herňu v porovnaní s Ronaldom alebo Neymarom.

it's part of a respectable poker brand to have some of the best players in the world on your roster. the cost is negligible compared to someone like ronaldo who is literally 100x more. it may not draw direct new customers but adds value to the goodwill of the brand. if team P****Stars was matt Damon, ronaldo, Taylor swift, Rafa Nadal and Bruce Springsteen w no poker players sure that may draw some customers but they lose some of their credibility as a -poker- site

nakedandfamous napísal:A co teraz konkretne mas na mysli? Ze Amaya ma lepsie data? To je jednoducho fakt. Ze nepotrebuje masu zivych robotov na konvertovanie depozitov? Co je na tom nepochopitelne? Preberali sme to pri inej diskusii.