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Odoslaťod hulmazas2 13 Nov 2008 21:28

Stacks:
vlcisko with $9.86 A♣ Q♣
CeeMonee with $10.40
Acesnturn with $1.95

Hero posts small blind [$.05]
CeeMonee posts big blind [$.10]


Site: UltimateBet

Flop: 4♠ A♠ 10♦ ($0.60, 2 players)
Hero bets $.50. CeeMonee calls.

Turn: 8♥ ($1.60, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.30. CeeMonee calls.

River: 10♠ ($4.20, 2 players)
Hero???...check/call je good? no read...a call do akej vysky. 1/2 isto a co 2/3?

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Stacks:
absnlester with $29.48
vlcisko with $10.19 9♠ 9♥
nuton16thave with $6.34
bigal510 with $8.45
H0hoLL with $10.

Site: UltimateBet
Flop: K♣ Q♠ K♠ ($0.85, 2 players)
absnlester bets $.30. Hero calls.

Turn: 5♥ ($1.45, 2 players)
absnlester checks. Hero checks.

River: 2♥ ($1.45, 2 players)
absnlester bets $1. Hero???dost drawy flop...moze bluffovat? Je call dobry?

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Stacks:
atlanta_ace with $0.32
vlcisko with $9.35 7♠ 7♥
jthomp10 with $12.04
Pica-Fumo with $12.45
xFireFlyx with $4.11
Baggens with $41.52




Site: UltimateBet
Flop: 8♦ 2♣ 6♦ ($4.22, 3 players, 1 all-in)
jthomp10 checks. Hero checks.

Turn: 7♦ ($4.22, 3 players, 1 all-in)
jthomp10 bets $4.22. Hero??? Neviem neviem...co si mam mysliet o tejto ruke? Puuush???


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Stacks:
PKRJos with $10.95
vlcisko with $9.39 K♣ 8♥
shadowownly with $12.54
H0hoLL with $10.15
xFireFlyx with $3.49
Acesnturn with $1.80




Site: UltimateBet
Flop: 8♠ 4♦ 8♣ ($0.30, 3 players)
1 players fold.
PKRJos bets $.20. Hero calls. xFireFlyx folds.
Total folds this street: 1

Turn: 2♥ ($0.70, 2 players)
PKRJos checks. Hero bets $.55. PKRJos calls.

River: 5♥ ($1.80, 2 players)
PKRJos checks. Hero bets $1.10. PKRJos raises to $5.10, Hero???...podobna ruka ako u kesa.
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Re: problematicka ruka - babo rad

Odoslaťod hulmazas2 13 Nov 2008 21:45

No supeeer...preflop hru nezobrazilo...prifajcene konvertory, ani jeden mi neide...dufam, ze uz je to OK!!!

Stacks:
Vlcisko (SB) with $9.86 A♣ Q♣
CeeMonee with $10.40
Acesnturn with $1.95

Hero posts small blind [$.05]
CeeMonee posts big blind [$.10]


Pre-flop:
Hero bets 0,30. CeeMonee calls

Flop: 4♠ A♠ 10♦ ($0.60, 2 players)
Hero bets $.50. CeeMonee calls.

Turn: 8♥ ($1.60, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.30. CeeMonee calls.

River: 10♠ ($4.20, 2 players)
Hero???...check/call je good? no read...a call do akej vysky. 1/2 isto a co 2/3?

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Stacks:
absnlester with (CO) $29.48
vlcisko with (BTN) $10.19 9♠ 9♥
nuton16thave with $6.34
bigal510 with $8.45
H0hoLL with $10.

0hoLL posts the small blind of $.05.
TheReasonu posts the big blind of $.10.

Pre-flop:
absnlester raises to $.35. Hero calls. H0hoLL
folds. TheReasonu folds.

Flop: K♣ Q♠ K♠ ($0.85, 2 players)
absnlester bets $.30. Hero calls.

Turn: 5♥ ($1.45, 2 players)
absnlester checks. Hero checks.

River: 2♥ ($1.45, 2 players)
absnlester bets $1. Hero???dost drawy flop...moze bluffovat? Je call dobry?

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Stacks:
atlanta_ace with (CO) $0.32
vlcisko with (BTN) $9.35 7♠ 7♥
jthomp10 with (SB) $12.04
Pica-Fumo with $12.45
xFireFlyx with $4.11
Baggens with $41.52

Pre-flop:

xFireFlyx folds. Baggens folds. atlanta_ace goes
all-in for $.32. Hero re-raises to $1.11.
jthomp10 re-raises to $1.90. Pica-Fumo folds.
Hero calls.

Flop: 8♦ 2♣ 6♦ ($4.22, 3 players, 1 all-in)
jthomp10 checks. Hero checks.

Turn: 7♦ ($4.22, 3 players, 1 all-in)
jthomp10 bets $4.22. Hero??? Neviem neviem...co si mam mysliet o tejto ruke? Puuush???


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Stacks:
PKRJos with $10.95
vlcisko with $9.39 K♣ 8♥
shadowownly with $12.54
H0hoLL with $10.15
xFireFlyx with $3.49
Acesnturn with $1.80

PKRJos posts the small blind of $.05.
vlcisko posts the big blind of $.10.

Pre-flop:
shadowownly folds. H0hoLL folds. xFireFlyx calls.
Acesnturn folds. PKRJos calls. Hero checks.


Flop: 8♠ 4♦ 8♣ ($0.30, 3 players)
1 players fold.
PKRJos bets $.20. Hero calls. xFireFlyx folds.
Total folds this street: 1

Turn: 2♥ ($0.70, 2 players)
PKRJos checks. Hero bets $.55. PKRJos calls.

River: 5♥ ($1.80, 2 players)
PKRJos checks. Hero bets $1.10. PKRJos raises to $5.10, Hero???...podobna ruka ako u kesa.
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Re: problematicka ruka - babo rad

Odoslaťod TuKE 13 Nov 2008 23:18

Odporúčam dávať ruke v menšom množstve, ak začnú toto všetci komentovať, bude tu hrozný bordel.
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Re: problematicka ruka - babo rad

Odoslaťod palo1973 14 Nov 2008 00:08

1.neviem
2.calll
3.call,bije ta len 88,a zrejme betne aj river
4.call,tu moze mat 8,ale ty mas lepsieho kickera

-pisem to viac menej preto,aby som sa porovnal s odbornikmi na CG,ako buschle,yegon,keso
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Re: problematicka ruka - babo rad

Odoslaťod keso26 14 Nov 2008 00:43

AQs - no to je tazka situacia prave kvoli OOP, flop turn pohoda a na river prisla velmi nebezpecna karta ktora doplnila moznu FD pripadne trips ak Ta calloval s desiatkou. Viac pravdepodobne by som tu ale videl horsie eso. Ako najlepsia volba sa mi tu javi blockbet tak cca 1.7USD, ak Ta raisne, zlozis.

99 - float turn imo, call na river je good, neblufoval by som.

77 - zlozit nemozes, takze push. Ak by si len volal aj tak sa commitnes a musis callnut river.

K8o - strasne nemam rad tieto vysoke ch/raisy na river. Otazka je ci to robi for value ale s tym aby to vyzeralo ako bluff, alebo je to bluff. Je to o to tazsie, ze typek je na SB a moze mat cokolvek. Ale on betuje uz flop, cize 22, 55, 82 a 85 by som sa nebal. 84 a 44 by mozno slowplayoval proti trom na flope, A3 je velmi malo pravdepodobne, cize bojime sa len A8. Skor call ako fold. Pride mi to ako keby bluffoval na tu osmicku ale nemaju a ma nejaku uplnu sprostost :)
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Re: problematicka ruka - babo rad

Odoslaťod keso26 14 Nov 2008 00:43

palo1973 napísal:1.neviem
2.calll
3.call,bije ta len 88,a zrejme betne aj river
4.call,tu moze mat 8,ale ty mas lepsieho kickera

-pisem to viac menej preto,aby som sa porovnal s odbornikmi na CG,ako buschle,yegon,keso

v tretej hande ho bije aj flush
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Re: problematicka ruka - babo rad

Odoslaťod palo1973 14 Nov 2008 00:47

keso26 napísal:
palo1973 napísal:1.neviem
2.calll
3.call,bije ta len 88,a zrejme betne aj river
4.call,tu moze mat 8,ale ty mas lepsieho kickera

-pisem to viac menej preto,aby som sa porovnal s odbornikmi na CG,ako buschle,yegon,keso

v tretej hande ho bije aj flush



-ano takze potom skor reraise all in
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Re: problematicka ruka - babo rad

Odoslaťod buschle 14 Nov 2008 08:36

1. River blocking bet 30% potu
2. call
3. Push (nemame read ) , villain nas 4betuje takze automaticky mozeme vylucit z jeho range 9T alebo 54 a 88, a mozeme ho hned typnut na QQ+ , AK .. takzej jedine co nas bije je AdKd a to by dal valuebet mensi s nuts, a je skoro iste ze ten pot bet je protect bet s overpairom , takze easy push.
4. fold (nemame read) , nebijeme tu nic . Large rereaise na rivery - to je skoro isty fullhouse, navyse ryby miluju handu A3 (to je pre nich nuts pred flopom), no ale staci nam tu vyhrat jednu hru z troch aby to bolo ziskove tak tazko povedat , stale to vidim na fold bez readu :)

skus tam obcas nieco napisat k superovi , lebo to je casto rozhodujuce .
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Re: problematicka ruka - babo rad

Odoslaťod hulmazas2 14 Nov 2008 20:08

Rad by som dal info o superoch, ale nemam ziaden podporny program...avsak chcem presunut vsetky svoje peniazky na Full tilt, kupit si PT 3 a snad to bude lepsie.

1. ruka...ja check, super bet 3USD ja call...ukazal 9s2s...velmi sa paci "napad" s blockig betom...v podstate keby tam dam 2USD, tak na reraise s kludom polozim, prip. on by len dorovnal a mna by to v oboch pripadoch stalo menej. Inak len otazocka...aky vysoky by mal byt blocking bet? Zrejme menej, nez sme ochotny zaplatit pri check - cally si myslim...

2. ruka...tam som mal asi 3betnut pf...float na turne sa javi tiez pekne...river som dorovnal, ukazal AKo

3. ruka...reraise All in...on call ukazal A9o bez diamantu...river Td...vyhral na postupku, neva, dobry reraise s mojej strany aspon

4. ruka...neviem kde sa to vo mne vzalo, ale foldol som to...ch/r na rivery musi byt podla mna silnejsie, nez je moje trips s K kickerom

DAKUJEM za nazory pani.
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Re: problematicka ruka - babo rad

Odoslaťod keso26 14 Nov 2008 20:29

hulmazas2 napísal:Rad by som dal info o superoch, ale nemam ziaden podporny program...avsak chcem presunut vsetky svoje peniazky na Full tilt, kupit si PT 3 a snad to bude lepsie.

1. ruka...ja check, super bet 3USD ja call...ukazal 9s2s...velmi sa paci "napad" s blockig betom...v podstate keby tam dam 2USD, tak na reraise s kludom polozim, prip. on by len dorovnal a mna by to v oboch pripadoch stalo menej. Inak len otazocka...aky vysoky by mal byt blocking bet? Zrejme menej, nez sme ochotny zaplatit pri check - cally si myslim...

FTP je rigged, tam by som peniaze nedaval :) a za dalsie, PT3 sa da stiahnut trial na 60 dni. Len dopredu Ta upozornujem, ze Ti tak 2-3x za session padne :)
..co sa prvej ruky tyka, bol to idealny spot na block bet. Jeho vyska by mala byt max. 1/3 potu a jeho vyznam je v tom, ze obvykle Ta raisne len ovela silnejsia ruka a dorovna neista (ako v tomto pripade je nizky flush) pripadne horsia ruka.

BLOCK BET

A block bet is a bet that is supposed to give you as much information as possible out of position - you try to make up for your positional disadvantage. We often see this bet on the river.

When you bet a good hand on the flop and on the turn to protect it and to get paid off by a worse hand, you often find yourself on the river wondering whether you should make another value bet. In case a draw hit the river, you don't want to pay it off. If you would bet again after three barrels, the odds would probably be so good that you have to call a push by the opponent with your normal 100BB stack. If you play check/call however, you also get a huge pot you didn't necessarily want, but you still see yourself ahead often enough to call a 2/3 potsize bet by the opponent.

But what other options do you have? This is where the block bet comes in. You make a bet of about 1/5 to 1/3 potsize. Your opponent will usually only raise with very strong hands, and then you will be beat so often that you can find an easy fold. Opponents usually have a way easier time making a bluff bet than making a bluff raise - use this to your advantage.

At the same time, you can still hope your opponent calls your small bet with a very weak hand. A block bet thus is a thin value bet, combined with an information bet.

source : pokerstrategy.com
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